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AN INTERVIEW
WITH RACHEL KRAMER BUSSEL
By
MARIE MUNDACA
Rachel
Kramer Bussel is all about the erotic. Besides editing
and co-editing over 20 erotica collections, she has
written erotic stories that have appeared in over 100
anthologies. Rachel was also a sex columnist for The
Village Voice, and currently is a senior editor
at Penthouse Variations and a contributing editor
at Penthouse. She runs a very popular monthly
erotic reading series in New York City called In the
Flesh. Her novel, Everything But…, will be published
by Bantam this year. And if that's not enough, she also
moderates the very popular cupcake blog, Cupcakes
Takes the Cake. Rachel took a few moments out of
her schedule to explain to us just what erotica is,
talk about feminism in erotica, and tell us what happens
in a bar full of hipsters listening to erotic stories.
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Is
erotica just about sex?
It's not just about the sex, but sex is important. And by
"sex" I don't just mean "doing it," I mean all the components
that go into sex. One of the exercises I give students or
people interested in writing erotica is to write a story where
there's no actual sex. I've written a few, and one is amongst
my favorites, called "Lap Dance Lust." I think it's about
sexuality and eroticism, about building up the reader's interest.
In other words, you're at least as interested in why a character
is attracted to another character [as in] what they do with
them. It's about turn-ons and temptations and attractions
and hormones and lust and everything that goes into sex, which
is obviously very broad, but so is "sex," in my opinion.
Are
there different levels of erotica? Are some writers and anthologies
"softer" or more hardcore than others?
There are definitely different levels, but I think most anthologies
seem to have a mix. Even erotic romance is getting edgier
these days, with plenty of kink and threesomes. There's a
lot of "women's erotica" out there as well, but that doesn't
necessarily mean softer. To me, the good thing about anthologies
is that while you probably won't like every story (but maybe
you will!) there's something you will enjoy, and you can just
turn to the next one if you don't like it. For those looking
for the more lighter end of erotica, Carol Queen just put
out More Five Minute Erotica, which I have two stories
in, and all the stories are under 1,000 words and meant to
be read in short spurts. Like quickies.
What
about different kinds of literary styles in erotica? Is there
experimental/ post-modern erotica, sci-fi erotica, things
like that?
There's really any kind of erotica you could wantthere's
even a book of meat erotica! Polly Frost writes great sci-fi
erotica in her book Deep Inside, Circlet Press does
sci-fi/fantasy erotica, and Nobilis Erotica is a podcast of
erotic science fiction stories. There is definitely more experimental
work, as well as authors who use erotic scenes in their fiction.
I'm much more into realistic stories or mostly realistic stories
but I think there's a market for all kinds of erotica.
What
do you see as the difference between romance literature, erotic
literature, and pornographic literature?
I think there is definitely overlap between the three, and
some books that fall squarely into one category. Romantica,
or romance erotica, is really booming right now, with HarperCollins's
Avon Red, Harlequin's Spice line, Kensington's Aphrodisia
line, and others starting up. This shows that romance readers
don't just want things to "fade to black" but to be as explicit
as anything you'd find in "erotica," just within the parameters
of romance. Erotica is also growing, with more and more anthologies
and especially e-publishers; if you look at erotica-readers.com
you'll see plenty of calls for submissions from new presses.
And what we might call pornographic literature does exist,
though with the demise of Blue Moon Books, not as much is
coming out of the U.S., but in the U.K. there is Chimera and
Nexus and they publish lots of spanking, discipline type of
books. But I really like when people blur the lines; when
they make us confront things in erotica we're not expecting,
like Shanna Germain wrote a story about a couple dealing with
cancer in my book He's on Top. It's not an easy story,
but there is both heat and heart.
My new obsession, courtesy of my friend Samara O'Shea, is
James Joyce's erotic letters, which are absolutely filthy,
I'm talking dirtier-than-anything-I've-ever-written-or-published,
but also, at heart, love letters.
A
lot of contemporary erotica seems to have third-wave feminist
undercurrents, as if women are reclaiming the sex act.
Well, as someone who is a feminist and came of age reading
the work of Susie Bright, Lisa Palac, Sallie Tisdale, Carol
Queen, and the like, I can say that feminism has definitely
affected both my sex life and my erotic writing. As to why
there are seemingly more female authors, both in my collections
and in general, I'm not sure if it's because women buy/read
more books or what. I know there are plenty of men like Stan
Kent, Thomas Roche, Simon Sheppard and Maxim Jakuwboski writing
fantastic erotica, but I think for women, it's still this
journey of self-discovery. Like when we figure out that we
can have sex outside the conventional ways (with someone we're
not necessarily dating or in an unusual way that blows our
minds, or whatever), we want to share this fantastic (and
not always so fantastic) news.
There was this interesting book called Gynomite edited
by Liz Belile that came out a few years ago that explored
all sorts of female-authored erotica that speaks to what you're
talking about. Again, I think men have plenty to say about
sex but it's trickier territory, because the things they might
want to reclaim are sometimes frowned upon in ways that women's
sexual explorations aren't (for instance, in relation to strippers
and strip clubs, the subject of a few of my own stories).
Can
you find erotica in the bookstore, or do you have to buy online?
It depends where you're shopping. Barnes & Noble doesn't have
an erotica section, so you have to look in "Fiction Anthologies."
Borders has erotica in the sex section, and has a pretty good
selection. Indie bookstores tend to carry the latest titles,
and that's about it, though a few places, like Powell's in
Portland and Bookpeople in Austin (and I'm sure others I haven't
been to) have good erotica selections. At airport bookstores,
I've sometimes seen decent selections, and sex toy stores
have some, but you can find the best variety online, in my
opinion, because you can see dozens of titles related to the
specific topic you're looking for. Now on Amazon they've broken
down their erotic bestsellers by type, so there's the top
100 erotic anthologies, etc., which can give you some further
shopping ideas.
Who
are some of your favorite erotica writers? What is it about
them that you love?
There are a few who I absolutely adore, namely Stan Kent,
L. Elise Bland, Alison Tyler, Donna George Storey and a relative
newcomer, Elizabeth Coldwell. Each write in very different
styles, but always create really hot, powerful work. Stan
Kent started out writing foot and shoe fetish erotica, and
just has this really outlandish style, and has written things
for my books on everything from cupcake sex to exhibitionism.
L. Elise Bland writes often humorous stories that are also
pretty outrageous. She just wrote one for me about a guy with
a fetish for [clear] tape (not bondage tape). Alison Tyler
just creates these really sexy scenarios, and Donna George
Storey gets really into her characters. Elizabeth Coldwell
knows how to tell a kinky story, and I'm so eager to see more
of her work.
If
I wanted to buy some erotica for my lover for Valentine's
Day, what should I be looking for?
I'd say it depends on their comfort level; a good intro is
any of the Best Ofs, like Best American Erotica, Mammoth
Book of Best New Erotica (which is huge) and Best Women's
Erotica, or as I recommended above, Five Minute Erotica
and More Five Minute Erotica. There's also Alison Tyler's
Got a Minute? Those last three feature very short stories.
Alison Tyler's Juicy Erotica and my Sex and Candy
are also fun and sexy, and perhaps a bit more playful because
they deal with food. You could also look for something by
Anaïs Ninwho, shamefully, I haven't read much of yet.
Do
you think giving your lover a fetish anthology might be a
good way to drop a subtle hint about some things you might
like to try?
I think it could be, as long as it's done in a gentle way.
I think people, including me, can be very intimidated by things
they don't know about, especially if they think the other
person really wants to do it and they are on the fence. So
I think you have to reassure them that you may want to try
it…with them, that it's not just all about you. That being
said, reading sensually into their ear, then taking the story
and making it your own and including your own fantasies could
be very hot, and could start a dialogue between you, so the
erotica is a jumping off point rather than a demand.
Not
only do you edit and write erotica, but you run a popular
erotica reading series in New York City, called In the Flesh.
How do people react to hearing erotica? Is there a lot of
uncomfortable laughter and squirming? Are there a lot of hook-ups
at your reading series?
The greatest thing about In the Fleshbesides, of course,
the free cupcakes!is the audience. They are so open
and welcoming, and I've concluded that it's because there
are very few opportunities to hear sexy stories being read
aloud. It's like a sensual lullaby, and it can be incredibly
hot, but there's always plenty of humor, and not of the awkward
kind (usually). I think sometimes people get really turned
on and aren't sure how to deal with that in public. There
have indeed been some hookups as a result of people meeting
at In The Flesh, but my goal is simply to provide two hours
of hot storytelling and give people some appreciation for
erotica and sex, plus have a forum where people can share
these types of stories. I'm such a nosy voyeur that I can
never get enough of hearing what other people have to say.
I'm always on the lookout for new authors, especially erotic
poets and authors who happen to have erotic scenes in their
fiction, things I wouldn't otherwise discover. There's definitely
more to "erotica" than what's billed as erotica, and I encourage
writers of all genres to explore the erotic potential in their
work.
Read
more about Rachel at rachelkramerbussel.com
(February,
2008)
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