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An Interview
with Kyria Abrahams
By
MARIE MUNDACA
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In
her uproarious memoir, I'm Perfect, You're Doomed: Tales
from a Jehovah's Witness Upbringing, poet and stand-up
comic Kyria Abrahams dishes the real dirt on those friendly
faces who show up at your door, trying to get you to read
The Watchtower. Like, did you know Smurfs were demonic?
Or that items purchased at yard sales could be possessed?
And yet, despite avoiding the bad toys and cartoons, Abrahams
still managed to grow up to be demon-filled. Trapped in a
loveless marriage at 18, the only way out for Kyria was adultery
and disfellowshipbeing cast away from the only world
she ever knew. Abrahams succeeds at making a painful young
adulthood hilariously entertaining, and never indulges in
demonizing her fellow Witnesses.
I
didn't know Jehovah's Witnesses could drink! There's quite
a bit of drinking in your book.
Oh yes. Jehovah's Witnesses can and therefore do drink! Once
you take away sex, drugs, and rock n' roll, it's pretty much
the only outlet we had left. I think the worst offenders were
the traveling overseerswho were kind of like couch-surfing
evangelists. One year, our family had the "privilege" of hosting
an overseer and his wife. All I remember is that he brought
his own bottle and was passed out in a dining room chair within
two hours. The people in my congregation also loved to quote
1 Timothy, where it says "use a little wine for the sake of
your stomach and your frequent cases of sickness." Personally,
I've never heard of using Maker's Mark for an ulcer, but,
hey, whatever worked for Timothy!
I
was also surprised by your pop cultural knowledge. How did
you ever see Monty Python's Flying Circus?
I think that's a combination of my father's well-honed sense
of humor and our family's lack of cable. PBS played a lot
of droll BBC programs like Are You Being Served and
some show about Brits in a tenement called Rising Damp.
They were all pretty incomprehensible to us, but at least
Monty Python had a giant cartoon foot. Either way, my father
loved them. We were allowed to watch with him as long as we
promised not to ask, "What are they saying, Daddy?" every
five seconds. Unfortunately, that meant we couldn't understand
anything they were saying.
Smurfs
versus Snorks. Snorks were OK, but Smurfs were called demons
that would rise up from the bed sheets and dance around the
room. Have you ever been able to figure out why some things
were OK and some things weren't?
It's pretty random, which adds to the fundamentalist mystique.
After all, if we could figure out for ourselves what is okay
and what isn't, we wouldn't need a religious overlord to lay
down a series of disconnected rules for us. There's also something
the Jehovah's Witnesses refer to as "a matter of conscience"
which is a convenient way of saying "You are allowed to make
your own decisions in life, but please know that we will judge
you negatively for them." For example, one of my favorite
movies was (and, quite frankly, continues to be) Clash
of the Titans. Oh man, do I love the claymation out of
that movie! So I was understandably psyched when, in the sixth
grade, I discovered that we were going to turn off the lights
in the math center and spend the afternoon watching the best
Harry Hamlin-as-a-Demigod movie of all time! Unfortunately,
my Jehovah's Witness friend Anna, who was in the same class,
was told by her father that she couldn't watch the movie.
Apparently it was about other Gods and there was only one
true GodJehovah. Naturally! Our teacher called me into
her office and I remember a very awkward discussion where
I basically made Anna look like a fool. You got served, Anna!
Perseus 4-Eva!
I
was surprised that you bought the vintage wedding dress, since
pre-owned items could be demon-possessed. Couldn't someone
start a JW-only thrift store? And do you still get a little
nervous buying vintage?
Some things never go away. I will always have a split-second
twinge of "Oh no, this is bad!" every time I walk into a second-hand
store. But for some reason, buying vintage clothes wasn't
seen as the same kind of threat as buying a vintage rocking
chair. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that clothing
can go into a washing machine. Do demons drown? Is it possible
that the devil's Achilles' heel is Snuggle? I'm not sure.
A lot of people in my congregation wore second-hand clothes
but would never touch second-hand jewelry. Again, it's all
so randomwhen you try to live your life through a series
of arbitrary rules, the logic is going to unravel very quickly…much
like the threads of an affordable second-hand sweater being
ritually cursed by a coven of evil warlocks.
In
the book, you write about the demon-possessed glassware you
bought at a flea market that you had to destroy. How can you
tell when something is possessed?
I'm not sure how I determined what was and wasn't possessed.
I believe the crack youth detectives of Scooby Doo
would describe it as "having a bad feeling about this place!"
I've always been far too imaginative, and reading about demons
every week gave me free reign to be as kooky as I wanted.
If I heard our creaky old building settling, I immediately
pinned the noise on demonsI think life was just more
interesting that way. I wasn't allowed to watch horror movies,
so I created them in my own mind. I'd be certain that the
eyes of an old photo were moving or that a ghost had appeared
in the bathroom mirror. I got a lot of "bad vibes." I was
an overly-dramatic, gothy teen, after all. I couldn't watch
The Crow, but I could smash dishes in my kitchen and
pretend I had a demon infestation.
The
book is hilarious, but how hard was it to write about difficult
subjects like your parent's divorce and mother's disfellowship,
your own rushed and failed marriage, the drinking and the
OCD?
The most difficult part was remembering the details in such
a way that I could relate the story to other people. I was
eager to get the truth out there, so if anything, I mostly
felt elated to have a chance to tell my story. I was mostly
concerned with being as honest as possiblealthough,
as with any memoir, there are some scenarios which necessarily
must be glossed over because other people's privacy would
be involved.
I
noticed a definite theme of entrapment and escape in your
book. Both you and your mother commit adultery to get out
of marriages, and you essentially got married to leave your
parents' home. Is this pretty common for women who are Witnesses?
I think it is very common, yes. The more ex-Jehovah's Witnesses
I talk to, the more I hear this same story. Jehovah's Witnesses
tend to get married pretty young because there's just nothing
else to do. You can't date outside the religion and you're
not supposed to even date another person unless you think
of them as a "suitable marriage mate" (the question, of course,
is how are you supposed to know you want to marry someone
without dating them?). So I think it's very tempting to just
pick the closest Jehovah's Witness you can find and ask them
to be your betrothed. People want to experience what having
a relationship is like, but unfortunately, they have to get
married to do it.
Jehovah's Witnesses also discourage dating as recreation,
which leads to a whole lot of really naïve marriages between
couples who have never been with anyone else. I think dating
as a teenager is as important as playing house when you're
ten. You need to learn the rules of adulthood by being immersed,
by play-acting as a couple. Personally, I think it causes
a lot of problems when you restrict this kind of behavior.
I
had no idea that there was special training for witnessing,
via the Theocratic Ministry School. Do you think your early
performing experience in the school prepared you for your
future stage work?
Yes, I think it definitely helped. When you've been speaking
publicly to strangers from the age of eight, it takes a lot
of the initial sting out of it. At the same time, I still
get nervous when I'm performingmuch more so than I did
as a child. When I was eight years old, everything I said
was pre-approved by both God and my parents. It's hard to
get nervous on stage when you're a naïve child reciting ultimate
truth. I don't have the same amount of hubris now that I write
my own material. I wish I did!
(March,
2009)
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