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An Interview
with Dennis Tafoya
By
MARIE MUNDACA
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In his
debut novel, Dope Thief, Dennis Tafoya weaves an atypical
crime narrative. Themes of forgiveness and redemption are
threaded between scenes of violence and regret when career
criminal Ray gets involved in a botched robbery. On the run
through the bleak landscape of eastern Pennsylvania, Ray searches
for what he needs to move beyond his mistakes and really live.
Tafoya's prose moves easily between blunt and poetic, making
Dope Thief a provocative, lyrical, fast-paced narrative.
Ray's likeability comes not just from his genuine humanity,
but his choice in books and musiccan a person who listens
to Stan Ridgeway and reads Amy Hempel be all bad?
You
didn't think you were writing a crime novel.
Yeah, I thought I was writing a literary novel from a criminal's
perspective.
Is
there a difference?
Especially in the earlier drafts, the novel disregarded a
lot of the conventions of the crime novel. When my agent said,
"Oh, this is a crime novel," I needed to go back and make
adjustments to the story to deliver more of the experience
someone who picked it up in the mystery of crime section of
the book store would expect. But to be honest, it just became
a better book. I wouldn't have done anything that I felt compromised
by. I didn't want to deliver a conventional experience, but
I didn't want someone to put the book down and say, "What
the hell was this thing?"
Did
you have to do research to figure out how to restructure the
book?
No, but the book in its original form was just kind of Ray's
life, just a character study with a fairly weak ending. The
book kind of just ended. I was never really happy with that.
But by saying that this is a crime novel, there's an expectation
that there will be a final upturn, it will be ratcheted up
towards the end, and there has to be a resolution. And I wanted
to do that, but in my own idiosyncratic way. I wasn't going
to have the killers come back for one more try at him, or
the dead villain's twin brother suddenly appearnot that
kind of stuffbut I did want to have that final tension
and the crystallization of the themes in the book. And so
the way the book is now is my attempt to satisfy my imagined
readers' expectations, and my own, and of course my editor's.
Was
Ray less of a criminal in the original draft?
No, he just really didn't have anything to push against. He
changes, but in the original version his new sense of himself
isn't tested. So there's no expression of the ways that he
has decided over the course of the book to change his life.
The book is about somebody looking at his life and figuring
out ways that he can be different in the world and charting
a new course for himself. And, uh, that was an artistic failing
in the original draft of the book. It was just like, "Well,
I have a different life now," but there was no resolution
to that. In this version of the book, that's put to the test
a little bit more.
It
sounds like the suggestions you got from your agent and editor
solidified what the purpose of the book was in a more concrete
way that it appeared in the earlier drafts.
Yes, I feel that absolutely. In no way did I feel like I compromised
anything. In fact, I feel much better about this book as it
currently stands than I did about earlier versions. I think
that their suggestions made it a better book.
A
lot of writers complain about things that agents ask them
to do.
The great thing is my editor, Kelley Ragland, is ahead of
me on these things, telling me to focus on the work, and what
makes the work better and more interesting. She's the one
who told me distinctions like "crime" and "literary" don't
matter like they used to. You can do more in genre, and you
can do more in literary fiction. Does my agent want me to
write a bestseller? He absolutely does. But he knows who I
am and he knows what I do, and he's totally with me as I approach
things in my own frustratingly idiosyncratic way.
What
made you want to write about these characters? They're not
good people. Did you find it hard to make them sympathetic
characters? The book begins with them stealing from children,
essentially.
[laughs] That's all I'm interested in. That's the only
question I'm interested inthe ways in which we're both
bad and good, and how the potential for both of those things
is present in all of us all the time. I hate reduction. I
hate the impulse to say somebody is good and somebody is bad.
People do good things and they do bad things.
But I think people are just complicated, and to the extent
that you understand and honor the complexity, it just makes
for a much more interesting life, and it makes stories more
interesting. Ted Bundy worked a suicide helpline. He's still
Ted Bundy, as likely a poster child for capital punishment
as you're ever going to find. But did the guy help some people?
Maybe.
Maybe
he convinced people to kill themselves! We don't really know!
That's a story. Who the hell wouldn't want to know? What did
this guy say to people? Is there something genuinely possible
in that exchange? Or is he so damaged and compromised that
he has nothing meaningful to offer? But that's the only thing
that I'm interested in writing about. In a sense.
So
your next book will have similar elements.
The next book is a heroin addict trying to solve a murder.
It's compromised people trying to engage with and recover
their own humanity. I'm trying not to write Dope Thief
2.
What
draws you to damaged people who are trying to learn how to
be better?
Well, I think it's my own story. It's what I see everybody
struggling with every day. Ray and Manny and the people around
them only differ in the extremities of their situation, but
I think their essential quandary is something that everybody
faces. We all have good impulses and bad impulses, they differ
from us only in the situations that their impulses get them
into. They have poor impulse control. It's not that I'm interested
in damaged or compromised people. I'm interested in the damage
and compromise that's true of all of us. I think it's a way
to explain myself and other people I know.
I
noticed that there are very limited physical descriptions
of people in Dope Thief.
It's something that I learned from Lawrence Block. Block,
whose work I love, only describes what's necessary. Elmore
Leonard does the same. Those are two guys whose work I greatly
admire. I don't write like them, I don't try to emulate them,
but I think I took it on as something that was empowering
to the reader, in that it allows you to visualize these people
as you need them to be.
I
really like that. But it's going to make it hard to cast the
movie.
Or really easy! You can insert anyone that you want. The characters
have very definite appearances in my head. In fact I've seen
them on the street. But I didn't feel like I needed to impose
that.
There
was only one character whose appearance I couldn't conjureShermie
the dog. So how big was Shermie?
I pictured Shermie as not a little dog, but not a big doga
sort of little dog that's corgi sized. Something with a little
muscle, a little fight.
So
he's a short-haired mixed breed. Because at first I saw him
a sort of champagne colored toy poodle, but then as I got
to know him better he morphed into a small pit bull.
[laughs] Whatever works for you works for me.
(June,
2009)
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